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Code One General Comments
08-08-2013, 05:02 PM
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Code One General Comments
David, John,

Congratulations on this effort, as it is a welcomed bold step—well done.

My thoughts, mostly dug up from past discussions from Rules seminars, etc. are nothing new. So here is a brief list:

General, Item I: Why not take your approach to bunker play all the way and include such areas as through the green? Equate play from a bunker to that associated with waste areas (think Pinehurst #2). The only difference left between current restrictions for bunkers and your proposed Code One seems to be the prohibition for making a practice swing and/or testing the surface. Do I really gain significantly if I make a practice swing in a bunker vs. in a waste bunker? If you accept that then you could essentially eliminate much of the definition for a bunker. I would still address the post stroke smoothing of sand, loose soil in the etiquette section as well as keeping the unplayable, abnormal ground conditions, etc. options for secondary relief unchanged.

1. Match vs. Stroke Play. Take all current Loss-of-hole penalties and make them instead 2-stroke penalties. In Match Play, I have a chance to still halve or even win the hole even if I knock one OB or hit it in the water a couple of times. Don’t take me out of a hole just because I hit a wrong ball or an inch forward of the tee markers. Loss of hole penalties for match play should instead be paired with many stroke play DQ penalties. For example an uncorrected serious breach for wrong place in stroke play would be DQ while in match play LoH. Likewise, I like your approach from Code Two vis-à-vis play of a wrong ball. No penalty, provided the player plays the correct ball. Failure to correct is LoH/DQ. I did notice you modified the penalty statement in Rule 4 concerning the penalty for match play with no reference to “status of the match”. This change would dovetail easily into my suggestion above by adding (a max of) two strokes to each of the first two holes instead.

2. R3-3, Doubt as to Procedure. What is the thought process behind the reworking of this section? Specifically, allowing the competitor to discontinue play of one of the two balls (Note 3) seems to introduce an unnecessary complication to an already poorly understood Rule.

3. What is behind the reasoning for eliminating the current Match Play exception under Rule 6-8a? I feel this is a valid and reasonable consideration for most matches at the club level.

4. Consider incorporating R7, Note 2 into the definition of “course”.

5. Let’s simplify Rule 9, Order of Play, During the Play of Hole. For both match and stroke play, when a ball may be played from a spot other than where the previous stroke was made, the order of play should be determined by the position from where the player must, or chooses to play his next stroke. This is the way most people believe it is supposed to be done, so let’s do it this way. It should not be complicated to the point of needing a diagram in the Decisions Book.

6. Rule 10. Is using a non-conforming tee or teeing a ball in a manner not permitted by the Rules deserving of a penalty of disqualification, rather than simply a 2-stroke penalty?

7. R12--I would adopt your reasoning from Code Two as it applies to searching for a ball. As a result of the search if the ball moves, there should be no penalty. Either replace the ball or proceed under an applicable Rule.

If we were to adopt a no-penalty approach for playing a wrong ball, there would be less need to lift a ball for identification. However, at some point, the player might need to know the ball is in fact his if it were not obvious from direct observation. We still need a structure for identifying, but I think having go through the 4 or 5 steps we currently use is a silly routine. How about, mark, lift, identify and replace without any cleaning beyond necessary…then replace. Any failure to first mark or excess cleaning is a 1-stroke penalty. Same reasoning if he fails to replace on the same spot. Only a 1-stroke penalty as could be the result if he at first he fails to mark.

8. Your treatment of Loose Impediments – THANK YOU! Finally, somebody actually said it in writing rather than just playing lip service in class. Now to 13-6. What is so wrong with taking a practice swing in a bunker or more to the point, in a water hazard? Remember Bill Hass in the FedEx Cup with that shot from the water on 17? The announcers are saying, “Nobody ever practices this shot.” Which is true for 99.9% of us. So if you are faced with something like that, so unusual, what Principle are we threatening if we permit the player to make a practice swing that might or might not assist his application of skill? Provided I play the ball as it lies, have I gained an undue advantage if I make a practice swing and touch sand, mud, grass, gorse or water? I may well learn it best that I proceed with relief. Again, I would like to see you remove bunkers from the hazard inclusion and place them through the green like waste areas are currently.

9. Your R14 is a good example of where I would apply previously suggested changes. Penalty for improper ball substitution for both forms of play – two strokes. For a wrong ball, no penalty, but the player must correct. Failure to correct in stroke play is a DQ, failure to correct in Match play, LoH.

10 R17-2b, Exception: just a general observation, why isn’t gravity included as some other agency? Sometimes, even a ball replaced on the putting green simply moves as the grass underneath gives way to the pull of gravity. It is “known” when there is direct observation. It is “virtually certain” when all other reasonable possibilities are eliminated. Sometimes the strength of the grass simply times out. Gravity is equally as relentless a force as the wind or water. Since wind cannot be directly observed, it need not receive more credit than does gravity.

11. R18-5b, Ball striking Ball, Both Balls on Putting Green: Rules that are written to contend with the extremes are not always logical. A ball in motion, after a stroke on the putting green, strikes another ball which is at rest, and regardless the relationship between the owners of the balls, we currently assign a 2-stroke penalty for stroke play and you recommend including a LoH for match play as well. Why should this be anything more than a 1-stroke penalty? How is this any more critical than striking the equipment of another player? For that matter, I question the wisdom of assigning a two stroke penalty for striking a flagstick when attended for the same reason. From the severity of this penalty, it appears the thinking is that striking another ball or the flagstick yields some great advantage. I don’t see it. For my thinking, a 1-stroke penalty and playing the ball as it lies is penalty/deterrence enough. It dovetails with the Principle: The penalty must not be less than the advantage which the player could derive from the particular Rule violation. What advantage is to be gained from striking another ball that would cause me to risk even a 1-stroke penalty? I’m sure you can come up with an extreme example, but as long as we are discussing a revamp, we should examine penalties like these.

12. R19-1. This Rule parallels my previous discussion on your Rule 12-1. If a player lifts a ball that must be replaced without first marking the ball, he incurs a 1-stroke penalty. OK, fine: but if the position of the ball is not marked how can we possibly say with any knowledge or virtual certainty that he in fact replaces the ball on the original spot? How could we say he did not, there is no marked point of reference? Would it not be reasonable to argue that every time a player lifts a ball without first marking, he is more likely to be subject to the 2-stroke penalty for not replacing on the original spot (wrong place) than the chance he will be as precise as if he had marked instead?

But that is not the approach we take. Should we not assume, if he does not first mark the ball before lifting, that he will miss the precise original spot of the ball and for that assign a 1-stroke penalty? It is not a wrong place penalty, but a failure to follow procedure penalty. Perhaps only if the player purposely places a ball in other than the required proximity to the original spot, a two stroke penalty should be applied?

In a related discussion, I also find consternation with the specific case of a player who has marked his ball on the putting green, moved his mark as a courtesy to another player, and then forgot to replace the mark before playing. The associated 2-stroke penalty in this circumstance seems overly harsh as would applying a two stroke penalty to a player who lifted without marking, then wasn’t sure where to replace the ball. I would like to see some additional discussion on this whole business of wrong place.

13. Good idea to eliminate all dropping when putting a ball back into play. Any thought of incorporating your Code Two concept of “Standard Relief” into Code One?

14. In a match, my ball rests about two feet beyond the flagstick. My opponent’s ball is off the green. I go to mark and lift my ball because I think it could assist my opponent in his play, but he tells me not to, as he wants to play. What Code One Rule would you cite that resolves this situation?

15. R21-1. For the sake of consistency, if a ball does not lie on the obstruction, before removing the obstruction, to insure the ball is properly replaced if moved, shouldn’t the position of the ball first be marked?

16. R21-2. You need to do some more convincing on why you removed line of putt relief from abnormal ground conditions. My experience is that, on more than an infrequent basis, the need for line of putt relief from both GUR and casual water is a consideration. While we are at it, you should also grant line of putt relief for immovable obstructions. There is the occasional situation where a player, because of the contours of the green, may need to putt the ball into the fringe, where interference with sprinkler head or other maintenance feature creates unwanted issues.

17. The need for the Local Rule for a Ball Played Provisionally under R24-1 (currently 26-1) clearly exists. I noticed you did not include it in your Appendix. I would also address a solution for maintaining the design integrity of some holes by allowing for a Local Rule that could restrict the R24 options available on specific holes or to specific hazard margins or even from specific teeing grounds. Restriction of any one option would mandate the addition of Placing Zones. As another participant suggested previously, a Local Rule for dropping on the opposite margin is also a good idea.

18. Consider adopting the Ball Unplayable aspects from Code Two into Code One as it relates to a ball in a water hazard. Why not? It gives the player an additional option for dealing with his burning of a stroke.

19. One last general comment. It would be nice if we could find a common rule of thumb for the vertical margins of hazards, abnormal ground conditions, OB, etc. For example: if my ball strikes the branches of a tree, which is rooted on the far side of a water hazard outside the hazard, and after the ball rattles around in the tree ends up plopping in the hazard, I have no fair way of determining if my ball actually broke the opposite plane of the margin. The descriptive determination of the tree is cut by the vertical plane of the water hazard, creating two separate parts of the tree. However, a similar tree, when associated with an adjacent GUR area is either deemed all inside or all outside the GUR for the purpose of granting relief, except the roots are treated differently than the branches. If the goal is simplification for the masses, it would be nice to dumb this margin business down to something that the average person can remember.


Gentlemen, your body of work is a very welcomed event. I congratulate you on this endeavor. It is obvious to one who has studied the Rules for a couple of decades how much time and thought you have volunteered for the betterment of the game. My comments have been primarily directed at your Code One work as I view it as a more probably candidate for adoption. However, I find several of the concepts contained in Code Two to be very intriguing and I need to spend more time with that work to feel confident enough to make intelligent comments. I am particularly upbeat about finding a way to adopt your Code Two scoring into something I and my colleagues could adopt as an alternate play format. Great stuff!

Best regards,

Richard “Doc” Miller
Cary, NC
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Code One General Comments - DocMiller - 08-08-2013 05:02 PM
RE: Code One General Comments - DavidHayes - 08-09-2013, 02:37 PM
RE: Code One General Comments - Simonko - 08-10-2013, 01:29 AM
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